horse sore after trim

Many horses with hoof pain also move low to the ground, in a shuffling-like gait. Again, this horse has been free of pain throughout this transition, and that's the key. Discussion on VERY sore feet after trim - need advice please Author: Message: Member: Tuckern: Posted on Wednesday, Apr 5, 2006 - 2:39 pm: Hi All, I had my mare's feet trimmed on Saturday (04.01.06), by a new farrier whom I had been told was very good, and could do a natural/4-point trim. In this video clip, I discuss trimming methods and how to avoid sore feet. What if your horse walks off lame after a routine trim? Horses with a variety of other underlying conditions can be sore after trimming or shoe removal. •Stumbling or Tripping. Your horse should not be lame after a trim on an already barefoot hoof. Because they move low to the ground, stumbling or tripping may occur. Trimming a foot should not make a horse sore. In my experience, a horse should only be sore after a trim if there is a major underlying problem with the feet prior to the trim e.g. That's how rehabilitation works, sometimes you have to take a step back to make a leap forward. The poultice is removed after 24 hours and the protective bandage is replaced for a further 48 hours. 25 September 2013 #21. A horse that needs a trim from a farrier may be referred to as “long in the toe.” When you view the underside of the horse’s hoof and it’s free of dirt and stones, you should be able to see the white line. ”Choppy” and ”wooden” are terms that usually describe how a foot-sore horse moves. “If the horse has a tear in the DDFT and you inject the joint or the bursa, he may feel better, but using the limb will make the tendon injury worse. Hoof boots (see list below) are an important tool for the transition to barefoot; the comfort they provide will help your state-of-mind as much as they help the horse. He has radiographed the feet before and after a trim and found that even an ultracareful farrier might remove 6 mm of sole in a single trim. 25 September 2013 #21. Episode 1, V7 - Two Minutes With Tab - Sore After Trim | Vettec – Knife-happy trimming. Many factors can contribute to the soreness of a barefoot horse’s hooves after a visit with their farrier, the most common one being over-trimming. Regardless, horses that are sole sore after trimming or having shoes pulled need a period of rest. The only trimming you will do at the first trim is to back up a forward-flared toe and wall flares, and level and perhaps shorten the heels. Note any areas that are inflamed, as evidenced by heat and swelling. Maybe the others can tolerate his excessive sole paring, or whatever he's doing wrong, but this one can't take it. It worries me that there are horses out there that are suffering, even if only for a couple of days, due to the type of trim applied by the farrier / trimmer. In this video clip, I discuss trimming methods and how to avoid sore feet. Moving on to another horse, Photo 3, we see a horse that is overdue for its trim. Flex and extend the joint to observe range of motion and to check for pain. I've seen other folks' horses get a bit hot and ouchy after trims, which for me would be a huge red flag (one of these horses later went on to develop full blown laminitis, not from a trim), and I've seen my horse lose her resilience to gravel for a week or two. Horses exposed to too many rocks without proper toughening of the soles. Ramey says he follows one big rule on how much to trim the hoof in the laminitic horse: He trims the walls and bars to 1/16th inch above healthy sole (assuming there’s healthy wall to trim), and lets the sole grow out. My horse consistently is sore after farrier trims and uncomfortable during. Most barefoot horses are trimmed with a bevelled edge along their toe, encouraging the hoof to land heel first and making the rear two-thirds of the foot the primary weight-bearing area. However, if horses are very sore, other conditions should be ruled out with a veterinary lameness exam. If possible, remove the horse’s shoes, leaving them off for four to eight weeks, trim the heel back until you reach solid hoof wall, round the toe, and allow the horse to self-correct. Forget the toes, imagine what it feels like to have your heels in the center of your foot. This horse also has shoes, but it is still clear to see that its toe is long and in need of trimming. Note any areas that are inflamed, as evidenced by heat and swelling. Yeah right. •Preference for Soft Ground. If the horse was wearing shoes, then that would be different. Her front feet … Try, to the best of your ability, to keep the horse out of pain. Horses that may have even been sore for many months, may occasionally begin walking soundly after just one trim! Excess paring of the sole beyond removing flaky dead sole can increase sole sensitivity. Short hoof walls should not cause tenderness. P3 is at ground level at start. Unfortunately, the inevitable does happen occasionally when a horse is sore after a hoof-care appointment. This is the point where the insensitive part of the horse’s hoof (hoof wall) and the sensitive structures meet. The last two laminitic horses I have seen trimmed have both had a farrier refuse to let them put their foot down, despite both being in obvious pain from active laminitis. When trimming your barefoot horse, your farrier will keep in mind several factors, including breakover, flare and hoof shape. The horse may be quite sore after the trim and need temporary pads for a few days, and should wear hoof boots for trail riding. 2) (The "less-obvious" but probably better method) Leave the overgrown bars as they are. Horse may also be sore due to excess heel material bruising internal structure, or due to the bad angles causing joint pain. Soles can become too thin from an improper trim as too much of a horse’s foot is removed and the inside sole is too high, causing the horse to place its weight on the sole instead of the outside wall. It's another thing for a horse to be painfully sore all the way around. Anyone can make a mistake but there are aggressive trimming styles that I don’t recommend. – Bruised soles are sensitive. – Dropped soles and flat soles. Well I know if hooves are left too long untrimmed their feet can become sore once they are trimmed. I think farriers like to try and blame horse being sore on other things instead of looking at their trimming method. At the most extreme, the horse will have a ”walking on egg shells” look. Where I run into challenges is finding an appropriate heel height in Ramey’s principles. Queenbee Well-Known Member. Trimming the frogs can relieve this pressure and increase comfort while the corium migrates back up into its natural position. Anyway, now my horse is so sore, she can hardly walk, four days later. Well they were way too long and I noticed today he came and trimmed them when I took him out I saw they had been trimmed. Check the neck and back for symmetry, posture, and contour. I have had several different farriers over the years all with different trimming styles, and it wasn't until my current trimmer came along that my horses weren't lame after being trimmed. As you move your hands over the horse's neck and back, notice any indications of swelling, pain, heat, inflammation, or loss of muscle tone. Member: rtrotter: Posted on Friday, Oct 2, 2009 - 6:55 am: Shannon, I am not sure where you got the idea that the'natural hoof trimming movement' thinks its ok to lame or sore up a horse. I also cold hose/ice after. Soles with little concavity will be more sensitive to rocks. It usually takes about four months for the newly attached laminae to grow from the hairline to the ground surface at the heels. Farriers and trimmers must recognise the difference between a horse that is in pain and a horse that is being difficult (although they should ask why that horse is being difficult). If your farrier won't try to figure out what he's doing wrong, switch farriers! While my horse is a sassy lassy, it's clear to me he hurts. Management of the pain of laminitis is important from many standpoints, not the least of which is a humane one. Q: If my horse goes lame immediately after being shod, should I call the farrier back, or get the vet? Horses should not be foot sore after a routine trim. laminitis, neglect. Joined 20 August 2007 Messages 11,935 Location Cumbria . 4. Oh I missed Faracat has already pointed that out. The longer the appointment takes, the more sore he is. If you make the back of the foot sore, the horse will land on its toes and the hoof will never uncontract. I do bute/prevacoix before the trim. I've never seen a horse react like this. Faracat said: LGL, dietary issue, metabolic issue, nail issues or just taking too … As you move your hands over the horse's neck and back, notice any indications of swelling, pain, heat, inflammation, or loss of muscle tone. They get better than you can imagine. We trim and/or shoe horses primarily in order to make them more comfortable. In cases of simple soft, tender soles, horses feet toughen in a variable period of time. – Genetic. If a trimmer is repeatedly over-trimming, fire him. It may not be possible to keep a horse that is recovering from laminitis pain free, but it is certainly something you can try to do. Suddenly trimming heels to a more natural height or pulling the shoes can cause soreness because a tremendous new excessive pressure is being applied to the weak internal structures. They do heal. laminitis, neglect. If the trim is good but the horse is sore it means that healing is happening, if you wait a few days for the pain to go away you'll probably find that the horse is moving much better than they were before the trim. To imply that it is in any way normal for a horse to be sore after a regular trim is way off base in my opinion. Belinda, Auckland. With systemic laminitis, recovery begins immediately following the removal of the causative agent, but soundness does not return immediately. The horse's shoes are first removed and then the sole is pared over the bruise to relieve weight-bearing pressure, although excessive paring should be avoided in thin soled horses or the pain may be worsened. Another tool is your decision to be patient and trust the horse to heal. “You have to rule out acute soft-tissue problems before you inject,” Dr. Dabareiner cautions. If your horse is 'always' sore after a trim, your farrier is doing something wrong *for that horse*. I finally got my farrier to trim my horses feet after litterally saying trim them or your fired. In my experience, a horse should only be sore after a trim if there is a major underlying problem with the feet prior to the trim e.g. A poultice and protective bandage is applied to the foot. IF horse had greatly higher heels than that, or toe walls were long & upright, so that the trim changed angles drastically, this could be now straining ligs, tendons, etc & causing the pain, as Walkin described. It worries me that there are horses out there that are suffering, even if only for a couple of days, due to the type of trim applied by the farrier / trimmer. 4 Check the neck and back for symmetry, posture, and contour. A competent farrier is … Flex and extend the joint to observe range of motion and to check for pain. I've participated in his appointments the last few months and found that he will sometimes hop when his RH is being worked on. The horse has a few days to a week off after the injection and then returns to work. Consider whether he was over-trimmed. When shoes are removed, the re-awakening of sensory nerve receptors in the hooves can make the horse appear ouchy, or reveal lameness that has been being masked since rigid shoes block sensory nerve receptors from functioning to signal pain in the … A: Great question Belinda. Generally it will not mean the week after the "first trim" will be totally pain-free. 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